+Fernanda Nascimento /watch?v=clDtdKCTypI champions according to spammer+Latino M. The samba steps basic movement, bota fogo, corta jaca, grapevine, rocks, pivots, bota fogo in shadow position and plait are too ugly as everybody can see. I can not judge about all the tango steps. You can not deny that for Brazilians only ugly crap is samba.
If you deny it then the tango steps are making sambe.
If you deny it then the tango steps are making sambe.
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+Fernanda Nascimento +dancetjoen Well, here we go again. Sir, you are showing these Maxixe steps with names of neighborhood of rio de janeiro (botafogo), and songs from the chiquinha gonzaga (corta jaca), all over again? Everyone know that ballroom samba is just Maxixe with a european aspect, which can be explained by the fact Europeans have never had the body structure and the personality behavior to do the steps properly, so they distorted it and now teach their own version to naive students like you - that will childishly call the original one "ugly" (what amounts to a epitome of the absurd).
I see you are very confused and mislead, seeking strategies to conserve and justify your madness obsession. If insulting people, barking like a rabid dog and making me laugh already tired you, try to make a real study. I will help you one more time. First of all, you have to study the introducer of Latin dances in your ballroom community, Pierre Zurcher. This whole silly fight comes from a very simple fact: europeans resent the fact that they cannot dance like afro-south americans. Most of them are mature enough to understand that, but some silly child's never got over it and therefore prefer to distort and change the real dance, insulting the real culture, like you do over and over reproducing the pattern of this psychological crisis. To begin to understand why you will never be able to reach real samba, rumba, etc. with you own rules, and why you have this complex of inferiority and try to attack brazilians to compensate it, you have to listen to Pierre`s own words in one the first European book introducing Latin dances to ballroom community:
"The name rumba in cuba is used only for the very fast version seen on the stage or as exhibition, and is so super-rhythmic that it is quite beyond the reach of any European dancer" (Latin and American dances for students and teachers, London, 1948)
To learn more about international ballroom systemic misrepresentation of samba and other Latin dances, you can read Marta Savigliano or the book "Glamour addictions: inside the American ballroom dance industry" by Juliet Mcmains. I will give you some quotations to start (and this goes to +Anastacia Goncharova, +ese hombre, also):
"After five to seven decades of revision at the hands of English, European, and American dancers, the DanceSport versions of latin dances bear little in common with contemporary or historical practices in Latin America" (Juliet Macmains, p. 110).
"A dance practice is much more than a list of footsteps and rhythm charts. The culture and values of its practitioners are embedded in the postures, gestures and dynamics of the dance. Recontextualized in European ballroom among waltzes and foxtrots, Latin dances were adapted by European bodies to adhere to their own culture's ideals and values. Postures were straightened, rhythms were simplified, an steps were named and categorized" (p. 114)
"Tango students in Europe were either unprepared to learn the complexities of the dance, ill-informed about the technique, or uninterested in the movement style practiced in argentina."(p.113)
"This process of cultural imperialism and colonization was repeated, only with slight variation, with each new Latin dance that was admitted into the ballroom". (p.114)
I see you are very confused and mislead, seeking strategies to conserve and justify your madness obsession. If insulting people, barking like a rabid dog and making me laugh already tired you, try to make a real study. I will help you one more time. First of all, you have to study the introducer of Latin dances in your ballroom community, Pierre Zurcher. This whole silly fight comes from a very simple fact: europeans resent the fact that they cannot dance like afro-south americans. Most of them are mature enough to understand that, but some silly child's never got over it and therefore prefer to distort and change the real dance, insulting the real culture, like you do over and over reproducing the pattern of this psychological crisis. To begin to understand why you will never be able to reach real samba, rumba, etc. with you own rules, and why you have this complex of inferiority and try to attack brazilians to compensate it, you have to listen to Pierre`s own words in one the first European book introducing Latin dances to ballroom community:
"The name rumba in cuba is used only for the very fast version seen on the stage or as exhibition, and is so super-rhythmic that it is quite beyond the reach of any European dancer" (Latin and American dances for students and teachers, London, 1948)
To learn more about international ballroom systemic misrepresentation of samba and other Latin dances, you can read Marta Savigliano or the book "Glamour addictions: inside the American ballroom dance industry" by Juliet Mcmains. I will give you some quotations to start (and this goes to +Anastacia Goncharova, +ese hombre, also):
"After five to seven decades of revision at the hands of English, European, and American dancers, the DanceSport versions of latin dances bear little in common with contemporary or historical practices in Latin America" (Juliet Macmains, p. 110).
"A dance practice is much more than a list of footsteps and rhythm charts. The culture and values of its practitioners are embedded in the postures, gestures and dynamics of the dance. Recontextualized in European ballroom among waltzes and foxtrots, Latin dances were adapted by European bodies to adhere to their own culture's ideals and values. Postures were straightened, rhythms were simplified, an steps were named and categorized" (p. 114)
"Tango students in Europe were either unprepared to learn the complexities of the dance, ill-informed about the technique, or uninterested in the movement style practiced in argentina."(p.113)
"This process of cultural imperialism and colonization was repeated, only with slight variation, with each new Latin dance that was admitted into the ballroom". (p.114)
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+Latino M. You made yourself a fool because those Maxixe danncesteps are performed by your samba "champions". What are those maxixe steps doing in your samba? Samba de gafieira (your words) "is just Maxixe with" ugly aspect . Brazilians renamed it samba only for the money. But now you want us to believe that "samba" is the brazilian word for "ugly crap", that is why you want us to rename ballroom samba.
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+Latino M. Your monkeybrains don't understand logic. Ugly Maxixe is samba. Maxixe steps by worldchampions is not samba. Everybody understands now that samba = ugly (for Brazilians).
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ok. Now this, i have to teach you about ballroom dance and history, and now i have to teach you logic as well! Uow, maybe ill have to start charging huh. Nutcase, you think that following a chain of irrelevant propositions will lead you to logical conclusions! I have a surprise to you. Its not. The fact that they follow maxixe steps is completely irrelevant for the conclusion of something being samba or not, because a dance is not defined by a set of steps, but by the personality and structure of the movements in fidelity to the beat of the music.
So, of course Brenda and Anderson are dancing to samba. And of course your world champions dancing to a rock-swing-like English-language song with no samba swing, groove or off-beat are Not dancing to samba. Neither of them are dancing to Maxixe, since maxixe is a extinct dance from the 19 century, that borrow structures and movements for completely different dances, including samba de gafieira, lambada, forro, and that strange thing you guys called ballroom samba, which is nothing but a misrepresentation and a terminological mistake, that will have to change the name sooner or later.
Now that you learned how to reason (i can also recommend some logic books, if its gonna help), what about trying to study a little bit of history aot ballroom, the books i showed, and recognize your whole culture of ballroom latin is based in fraud and conservative apropration and colonization?
Here it comes more quotations for you. Good luck enlighten yourself!
''The Ballroom versions of Latin dances are western appropriations with only limited similarity to forms practiced in Latin America and they rely extensively on European stereotypes of Latiness for their emotional and aesthetics appeal" (p. 114)
So, of course Brenda and Anderson are dancing to samba. And of course your world champions dancing to a rock-swing-like English-language song with no samba swing, groove or off-beat are Not dancing to samba. Neither of them are dancing to Maxixe, since maxixe is a extinct dance from the 19 century, that borrow structures and movements for completely different dances, including samba de gafieira, lambada, forro, and that strange thing you guys called ballroom samba, which is nothing but a misrepresentation and a terminological mistake, that will have to change the name sooner or later.
Now that you learned how to reason (i can also recommend some logic books, if its gonna help), what about trying to study a little bit of history aot ballroom, the books i showed, and recognize your whole culture of ballroom latin is based in fraud and conservative apropration and colonization?
Here it comes more quotations for you. Good luck enlighten yourself!
''The Ballroom versions of Latin dances are western appropriations with only limited similarity to forms practiced in Latin America and they rely extensively on European stereotypes of Latiness for their emotional and aesthetics appeal" (p. 114)
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+Latino M. /watch?v=clDtdKCTypI the only "personality and structure of the movements" is ugliness. Even "beat of the music" by your "champions" is wrong.
We don't buy music from brazilians, because brazilians need to understand that spam is bad. 200 milion brazilians not one single couple dare to compete is evidence that brazilians know that brazilian samba is ugly.
We don't buy music from brazilians, because brazilians need to understand that spam is bad. 200 milion brazilians not one single couple dare to compete is evidence that brazilians know that brazilian samba is ugly.
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+dancetjoen Again you were reduced to the "wrong", "ugly" and "dont buy samba music" arguments, which shows how unprepared you are to even start the discussion. But i am kind, and i will keep on teaching and unmasking you. By the way, i see you are avoiding the references i just showed. Afraid of facing the real history of your Latin misrepresentation? I have a number of documents and references here showing how conservative and intolerant your ballroom community is, and how they judged Latin dance by the rules created by one single couple that traveled to cuba, New york and Brazil.This is one of the most outrageous types of simplification (or usurpation!) of entire cultures in recent times. I have testimonies of your own teachers confessing how afraid they were of losing students to USA - where real Latin exiled communities existed at the time and teached the real sabor of Latin dance.
Finally, i remember some good moments in this discussion with you. The first when i showed you the brazilian tour "brasil brasileiro" displaying real samba culture being received so well in europe (my friends remember how well germany received them). Other good moments when you explode your rabid tantrum out of hate denouncing your lack of arguments. Now, you should also learn why you - and your world champions - will never dance to samba. That`s because your ballroom techniques are centered in the unified coordination of torso and pelvis, and other bigger muscles, something that comes from a European root and that makes you look great only when you are dancing to ballet, foxtrot or waltz. The essence of mambo, son, rumba, samba, are the polyrhythm, the interaction of all drums to build powerful music, something that demands from your body a type of technique, structure and spirit that your European asses are still unable to copy, as Pierre said in his own words:
"The name rumba in cuba is used only for the very fast version seen on the stage or as exhibition, and is so super-rhythmic that it is quite beyond the reach of any European dancer" (Latin and American dances for students and teachers, London, 1948)
That`s why you distorted Latin dances: to make easier to straight white europeans to dance. And that`s why when your 'worldchampions' try to shake hips and shoulders they look like drunken salamanders. So, get over it. Insulting Brazilians and screaming like a little child is useless to beat the inferiority complex that you have because you cant dance to samba. Since the first time i saw your tantrum i knew you were haunted by a very sick trauma, and your gratuitous hate directed against Brazilians showed you have a type inexplicable admiration and envy of us. That`s a very sick disease.
The old continent should emphasizes their own qualities and build new arts, instead of trying to brake the inevitable flow and influence of Latin-afro cultures with the most pathetic strategies: reducing them to their own rules and trying to dance to complex polyrhythmical music looking like a old medieval knight with a peacock chest and a happy stereotyped face. You guys are reasons for laughing to Latin Americans. And now that salsa dance is leading a new and unstoppable movement of decentralization of Ballroom orthodoxy,the end of your fraud is near, and in the course of twenty years you will lose all the clients you were foolling for decades. A big industry of real Latinos and Africans are fighting and competing with the old ballroom fraud. Samba de Gafieira, Argentine tango, Zouk, Kizomba, Bachata, are being teached all over the world, even in Japan and China, and people are already abandoning your old structure of fraud championships to learn the real thing - that everyone can see the difference. Unfortunately, nobody can reimburse the lost time of millions of good dancers that were fooled over the last decades.
+Latino M. references? We don't read what spammers want us to read. And your samba will always be ugly as long for Brazilians spamming is more important than dancing.
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